world change

2006-10-04T04:15:00.000+01:00

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your guardian response to Dawkins

2006-09-29T20:26:00.000+01:00

Dear Stephen Unwin,

1. Dawkins is more than able to look after himself. Nevertheless: it's not true that (in his book) he"comes down firmly on the side of certainty" (that there is no god) . He admits the possibility , but passionately and caringly opposes the imposition of obscurantism and sectarianism and above all fear on children. Myself I'm impressed by my understanding of Ockham's Razor: we have no hope of discovering any order there may be (and indeed is) in it all if we allow needless concepts into our reasoning: they are legion. Only therefore accept god if you have to.

2. My complaint against Dawkins is however not dissimilar : his polemical stridency , even when in response to that of others, will only intensify division - and division is what bedevils our species beyond all else. And now when we both can (in the global village) and need (in an ecological collapse) to unite for the common good, it behoves us to think again. Dawkins seems quite ignorant of the nature of redemptive empathy. The fearsome dogmatists who preach a heavenly eternity for their martyrs or a hellish ditto for their opponents are surely trapped (more blatantly but not essentially differently to the rest of us) in prisons of the mind. To release them one has to enhjoy wide understanding, and visit their prisons and appreciate their logic - and its place in the logic of it all. Without minding ! One gets released oneself in the process.

In my opinion that is the sort of thing true religion (wisdom) is about - something which if generally dispersed could change and "save" our species. I will take the liberty of forwarding, immediately after this, my own "response" to Dawkins, since it elaborates these points (to which in my turn I am exceedingly attached!)

yours sincerely, Hugh Sacker (81 years old, scholar, traveller, grandfather) , Knockandarragh, Donard, Co Wicklow, Ireland

hell - or heaven - on earth

2006-09-26T17:25:00.000+01:00

The story of our species to date is best regarded as a prolonged residence in hell on earth. Caught up in our own predicament, we have struggled to "conquer" the planet , indeed if possible the cosmos. and make it serve us. There have been exceptions to this norm, but increasingly as we learnt more and more, we have idolised ourselves. Seemingly masters of our destiny, responsible for our own fortune, we now wallow in awe-inspiring pyramids of power and money. Many if not most of us wish it were otherwise, but despair of an alternative, and are engrossed in making the best of our particular situations while we can. Doom is prophesied on all sides, and generally feared, however much denied. We no longer trust our leaders: hypocrites, seeking their own success.

In claiming to offer the one and only solution , to prophesy a transformation of the entire species, in the nick of time before we are finally engulfed by our own folly, I assert, like my predecessor Jesus of Nazareth, that we are destined to exist as wisdom incarnate, idolising not ourselves but the whole thing, of which we are but an integral part . We shall come to appreciate we live in a miracle not of our making, to regard every detail of it as sacred, the body of our god - whose self-understanding and self-appreciation are located in our maturity in us.

This is the alternative "way", the "tao" of the chinese, the "yoga" of the hindus, a way of humility, and compassion, and wisdom, that permits no deviation but rewards with bliss beyond present understanding. All peoples have knowledge of it, virtually no one treads it - because it has to be trodden by the entire species together for this present hell to transform into heaven, a sapient paradise very possibly unique in the cosmos. To change to it, together, we simply have to
institute universal peace - by practising NO Coercion under any circumstances except to prevent coercion (the only enforceable law, which within a generation would need no enforcing, become self-perpetuating), and cooperate with hope and goodwill. And this I believe to be our cosmic destiny, whether we know it or not.

During the 29 years I have been convinced of this and been ignored, I have worked out a simple set of guide-lines for starters. Fundamental are peace (no violence), logic (not the self-justifying sort the present Pope is feared to believe in, but that which seeks dialogue, reasonable agreement between diverse individuals and groups, all equal and free) , and love (goodwill to all and the whole). These three form a trinity, in that each is dependent on the other two, the logic being the logic of peace and love, etc).

Then in considering action, we should always, now that we know we share this finite planet between us, consider local and global aspects of our behaviour. And finally, in forming opinions, judgments (for we must always form our own judgments, but tentatively, learning all the time), we should always be impartial (seeking the good of the whole, not our own), and compassionate : for whatever apparent mistakes one or other of us falls in to, that is reality, part of the sacred whole, without which nothing is that is - but changing all the time - and improving unbelievably as we learn union.

I have grown old and frail in this conviction, this endeavour, and little acknowledged. I assert defiantly that it is not because my logic and wisdom are so much inferor to those of "the world" that you shun me, but because they are superior, and threaten if and when properly respected to shame and transform you : a shaming and transformation well and truly deserved and needed. The way my species presently behaves on earth is disgraceful almost beyond conception. Remember the admonitions of my predecessor (a man like myself; "divine" only in being right and having the courage to show the world how you treat the admonition of virtue), and apply them to yourselves. I have no more to say, and hope to stop broadcasting the seeds of my wisdom - a deplorable if necessary activity - and wait in peace and quiet for enquiry.

Let us draw a line in the sand, and rise to the occasion! It is unique.

the divine present

2006-09-26T10:55:00.000+01:00

Experiencing the wonder of the passing scene, whatever it is, however terrible or delightful from our personal point of view: this is the ever-changing face of our divinity, contemplate it, in the knowledge it is a construct of sub-atomic particles and energies. It is evidently not geared to the well-being of every human : to suggest that is human-centric, hubristic. To believe it is our job to meddle with it in order to make it more accomodating to us - a total misunderstanding. Our species has learnt the secrets of IT's structure by meddling self-centredly. Now we change. What IS is right because it IS. This is how it IS at each and every point of time and space, and it should be wondrous in our eyes: the very idea that understanding and appreciation of THIS can exist within it, in our heads and hearts - that is amazing. And it is possible. What is more, when we discover this wonder and acceptance in us, then we behave in a way that improves our situation - especially when we all do it, so that we are not in conflict with IT, but an appreciative part. When we as a species discover this truth, then in harmony with one another and with the cosmos, we cope with the passing natural phenomena of global warming etc far far better than seems at all likely to most people as I type - Doing what comes selflessly, living in the moment intelligently but without care for past and future , is the key to our future, a sapient paradise.

And the muslims are right : it is all determined - whether by an omnipotent living god, or by the logic of an omnipotent set of cosmic laws should not prove divisive. We all experience compassion, and the system proves compassionate. All peoples that on earth do dwell can share in this , perhaps greatest of wonders. The source of the wonder lies not in us, but in the Whole.

my words

2006-09-26T10:54:00.000+01:00

Following the legendary example of jesus of nazareth, in whose tradition i was brought up, i say now in all simplicity : we ourselves and all the material objects we cherish will crumble to dust before my words are forgotten. They lay the foundation of the coming mature stage of our species on this planet, the fulfilment of prophesy, a period of peace and wisdom. What geographical extent this coming age has remains to be seen : at present our species is behaving as a cancer on the body of life on earth. A sapient paradise will however occur perfectly logically, at exactly the right moment, as all who live after will understand. Be not attached to your trivial selves, but to the wonder of the whole!

hugh sacker, knockandarragh, donard, co wicklow, using the name obol as prophet

science & religion

2006-09-26T10:52:00.000+01:00

Dawkins is a militant atheist, with a book just published; this is my reply It attempts to show the true point of "religion": a different "Way" of life, perhaps only generally possible now that science has discovered how our cosmos and planet are constructed. Hugh

Knockandarragh
Donard
Co Wicklow 24th September ad 2006

Dear Professor Dawkins,

No no no no, you are a very intelligent man,
and you're not trying.

Religion is not about a supernatural being fashioned in the image
of a human patriarch, nor is it about an imagined afterlife, in
which we may be rewarded or punished for behaviour down here. Nor is
it about an ultimate sanction for a particular sect's way of life.
etc. All that is the lamentable distortion of religion, developed
to harness a strictly other and alternative "way" of looking at
things and acting consequently, without changing over to that other
way.

Religion is about losing our self-centredness, as individuals ,
as groups, as a species, and identifying with the other and the
whole. When you say that you might yourself be religious in your
admiration for the logic of the cosmos of the physicists, and
your delight in natural phenomena, you are half way there.

But you fail to concede that every human act, thought and
emotion appears as part of the logical wonder of the cosmos to a
non-biassed scientist as to a truly religious person,group or
species - the idiocies and criminalities of your fellows included.
What an amazing thing that this fertile planet should derive from
elements created in nuclear explosions in stars! What a further
amazing thing that, amongst the animal life on this planet should
occur a weird species that has been driven (largely by internecine
competition,by fear and greed) to uncover the structure of our cosmos!

Now, at this stage, when for the first time in our history,
we have an outline of how it all hangs together, we are bedevilled
by the very fear, greed and selfish competition that have
brought us so far. Now, as I see it - and I admit very few others
do, but so what? that may change - what we need is to rediscover
the essence of the religious way, that love of the other and the
whole that science and religion can unite in propounding.

We have to see ourselves, not through self-projection (as you
seem to, along with the prevailing ethic ) but as our enemies see
us, including the other species which we self-obsessively seek
to harness for our imagining of our own good - which threatens to
lead to our self-destruction.

This is redemptive compassion, the understanding of the logic
of the other's position, an empathy that releases them from their
prison cell, even as it releases us. And this is what , surely,
jesus of nazareth, or gautama buddha was on about. It is not
sectarian, it is known to simple people the world over - and you
could express it ever so much better than I. Furthermore, it
could logically only flourish when we correctly understand the
structure behind our sensory impressions. Before science,
religion had no chance.

I hold myself that we shall find ourselves able to accept our
"automatism" , our lack of free-will, once we lose our fear in
wonder at the whole. If, as I myself rather expect, the tables turn
(umkippen), without our lurching from one extreme to the other, and
find that we are individually far happier, and as
a species have a far better chance of coping with the future than
at present, realising that your cosmos of the physicists includes
in its logic this "maturation" of our species _ then "religion" will
be a normal, everyday affair, doubtless varying in fancy-work from
one spot to another, but uniting all in adoration of the "thing"
we now find ourselves part of (no longer "separate").

And I may as well admit here that, to individuals who do thus lose
attachment to their own self in the wonder of the whole, the
relationship does seem to be reciprocal, the "whole" does seem to
be living and loving. Just precisely what is at work here, a mental
delusion or something outside the individual mind should not matter,
and certainly need not be prescribed. Since the experience does occur,
however, I would hope that be regarded as a plus, not a point of
dispute.

Dear Professor, you have never replied to a communication from me.
I shall continue in hope (how many letters did Bernard Shaw send to
newspapers before one was published ?)

with kind regards, Hugh Sacker, retired academic and traveller, age 81

attachment

2006-09-26T10:12:00.000+01:00

Sat, 23 Sep 2006

so, after 29 years, i have solved the characteristic problems of our species (how it all makes sense, and how we best live with it), and characteristically am ignored for doing so.

(diis)-unity

2006-09-22T20:31:00.000+01:00

Like it or not, my mind runs on...as ever, but we don't now meet to exchange chat. I presume that that separation, like all else, is part of the pattern leading to the needed culmination.

The rule seems to be, that so long as one's mind supposes our thoughts, emotions, deeds etc are our own, our doing, - for good or ill - one c a n n o t experience the bliss of integration, union, harmony with the cosmos...the unio mystica of the saints . Disharmony is disruptive, even though it has its essential place in the pattern and logic of it all, - specifically in the creation (seen in a time-unrolling way) of the self-understanding of the cosmos, or if you like of understanding and appreciation of the cosmos existing in the body-minds of creatures on a particular planet in the cosmos. (Who then experience timelessly, without bonding to before and after: "eternity in time", from one point of view.) To appreciate the wondrous unity, and act and think and feel in such a way as to serve it, one has to lose the delusion of separateness, of free-will, of independence. Then it appears just how wonderful we are - like any other part, but special, possibly unique. - Without "us" the wonder of the whole is incomplete.

No individual can fix this change in the mind , but it can happen, and as you know, i am convinced it will "now" happen species-wide....That there is little sign of it generally beforehand , when everything seems to require and make it possible, is no reason for despair, but will underscore our utter dependence when and as it happens....."not of us, but of it". (I was of course brought up far more steeped in religious tradition than you, it only remained for it to be cleared of dross, integrated with the cosmos of science and scholarship, and feet on the ground. "It" is almost certainly

2006-09-22T20:30:00.000+01:00

Yes, your pessimism incites my good cheer - as always - maybe its justification?!

Look at it this way (my mind says) : if we accept (provisionally) the analysis of sensory perceptions offered by modern science , the cosmos of the scientists , then what a wonder our planet is, and what a wonder that people should exist on it who appreciate this wonder, indeed the wonder of the whole! (Only if we accept an infinite number of planets in all, is it perhaps inevitable that among them would occur one like ours, with us on it, made in some sense from the elements produced in nuclear breakdown in our, and perhaps other stars, and situated just at the right distance in orbit, etc).

Then, this wonder of appreciation of the whole in the minds of some sapient animals on this planet for a few millennia, or decades, is bound to pass away some day as the sun goes through its life cycle : just how many minds appreciate these wonders and for how long seems rather trivial compared with the amazing fact of such appreciation exixting at all. What is more the knowledge and understanding of the workings of the cosmos and of our "illusion" of the solidity of our sensuous experiences , this knowledge and understanding derives without doubt from the sense of apartheid of our species, intimately allied to our hubris: the humble appreciation could not exist without , or at least in fact does not derive from anything else than the delusion of superiority our species has long been liable to.

Thirdly, it is surely true that the possibility of the entire species realising "enlightenment" (in the sense of appreciation of the wonder of the whole as above, and the personal and group compulsion to live accordingly) could only result from those of us who are lucky enough to experience this state ahead of our fellows feeling love and compassion for our less privileged fellows in ways that they do not experience as patronising or pissed off or at all "apart", but as their ordinary fellows - somehow infecting them with this wonder of wonders, the natural logical appreciation of the wonder ot it all at this stage , when not to experience it surely threatens to abort a maturity greatly to be desired.

Myself, even as you feel increasing despair, I experience increasing confidence, and seem increasingly well "embedded" in society compared with a few years ago, when my mind broke out of its erstwhile bonds and entered a very excited state . \you and others took much of the brunt of that - hence your relief that "obol" did not intrude in our phone chat some while back - but to me that break and excitement seem just part of the process, now with the years, and abrasions soothing all round, less disturbing to all concerned - but as much part of your old buddy as the rest.

It's the 29th anniversary of going literally out of my mind, and landing in paradise here and now, this Saturday night. By chance and design it looks as if all my six children and four grandchildren will be here for it, and Kali has designated the afternoon as the occasion for some ceremony here of "baptising" her two in a pond in the garden, itself a little "paradise" in the persian and 17th century sense of pleasure garden. and so we shall be overfull. It will likely pass over without noticeable fireworks, but it's odd just the same.

It's also, my calendar tells me, jewish new year, and the next day the first of ramadan - the religions of the book coming together - and hopefully being purified. "Religion" in my use of the term refers to an absolute attachment to the only possible alternative Way of thought and life for our species, totally subservient to the womder of it all - and not by our choice so much as by the logic of the whole thing, producing as out of a hat this crowning wonder of understanding and appreciation in the heads and hearts of a weird, and suddenly humble species on a fertile planet...in the heavens.

christians and muslims etc

2006-09-20T12:52:00.000+01:00

Tue, 19 Sep 2006

yes indeed, and more so - but myself, I analyse from increasing idiocy all round the imminent collapse of our civilisation, and rather hope a purified one may be born from the ashes.. Meanwhile, it always amazes me that muslims and jews do not generally call in question the irrationality, improbability and indeed (self-)idolatry of one religious tradition regarding its particular founder as uniquely divine - especially since 2000 years ago it had long been customary for distinguished individuals to be so considered (and performing miracles remained a common event of hagiography for at least a further 1000 years).

I myself was reared in a totally christian tradition, and became a medieval scholar , so I have some knowledge of the issues concerned - and indeed wonder if you are acquainted with the crusading epic "Willehalm" by Wolfram von Eschenbach , around 1200? It shows great respect for muslims, and debates the whole question, taking the view that defence is alright, but attack not, since all are children of "Altissimus", "Tetragramaton", juden , heiden unde kristen - if I remember right. I refer you to my fellowshio thesis "The Tolerance Idea in Wolfram's Willehalm", a copy of which was deposited around 1952 in the library of Caius College, Cambridge. If Willehalm was an exception in its time, nevertheless an indication of the folly of dismissive generalisations about an age, any age. (Folly only exists to nurture wisdom)

Christians do not follow in the footsteps of their legendary founder , as recorded in the gospels they venerate. Indeed I would hold that true religion is the same the world over , and essentially free from the local colour in which it appears and is later clothed. Selflessness, the recognition that one sees one's reflection in the scene around, not by self--projection, love of the scene around - as christ said love of one's enemy is a crucial test. It is the "other" way , not the way of worldliness, absolute equality, immediate preference for own's own death rather than sacrifice of such a position - and now that other species are going down so fast before human self-regard, preference by our species of the others -this is "religion", in no way sectarian, and may yet be the saving of a species driven mad by its unique penetration of the mysteries of the world of the senses, needing now only to appropriate the wisdom latent in all communities, prevalent nowhere.

Forgive an old man rambling on. Your chosen field of study and obvious righteous wrath inspired me.

adequate response to al gore

2006-09-20T12:50:00.000+01:00

release people everywhere to cooperate in solving problems in a non-coercive and promising frame. that's what obolworld offers. "what a nutter !

ridiculus mus

2006-09-20T12:48:00.001+01:00

friedland@guardian.co.uk
Wed, 13 Sep 2006

Is a vote for gordon brown really an adequate response to al gore's film? no wonder the guardian elect deride my blogsite.

2006-09-20T12:48:00.000+01:00

we're all in limbo now

the stand-off

2006-09-20T12:47:00.001+01:00

Tue, 12 Sep 2006

no one approaches the redeemer.........family assembles.........

gateway

2006-09-20T12:47:00.000+01:00

the gate of NO COERCION, so long the stern aspect of the entrance to obolworld, transforms as one passes through in to the MARRIAGE OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, a sort of Versailles or Kew Gardens, delighting in its ever-cordial arrangements. and there is the bus-stop for joining the PAGEANT ASPHODEL , the vehicle for the triumph of love over fear for generations to come.

where there's muck...

2006-09-20T12:46:00.000+01:00

is excrement the other face of increment ?

that final fell scoop

2006-09-20T12:45:00.000+01:00

the guardian offers 50% profits any agency/individual with info on hugh sacker (obol) . charter flight booked from california to investigate claims of human genius in ireland - solution to all our woes

how then ...?

2006-09-20T12:44:00.000+01:00

how then would we integrate as a group , hugh ? - just like any other group, groups integrate pleasingly in obolworld where the guidelines pll lg ic are observed. every one likes meetings we see ourselves in others one amazing re-conciliation

but just define your group to me, and you will see as you do it we will see together and the power of fear will pass away

christ-buddha obol

it's the integration

2006-09-20T12:43:00.000+01:00

it's the integration

call it obol for entry to hugh's other mind all these years, where much of use calculated out for you , ok ?

this is our heavenly form

2006-09-19T13:35:00.001+01:00

inhabited now by an association of good souls

in peace, logic and love

thinking locally and globally always

judging impartially inconsiderately but always compassionately , for only if one loves does one see, and seeing is redeeming

it is the natural chemistry of healing

now operating as obolworld here on planet asphodel

perfect puppetry

self-knowing by seeing non-self

eternal logic in peace and love

obol

obol

2006-09-19T13:35:00.000+01:00

obol

nice to get on with the inheritance now

hugh

struck dumb

2006-09-19T13:33:00.000+01:00

the realisation strikes one dumb,
instant change
but the world around in state of shock,
sleep-walking
old tracks
new meaning barely discernible
pll lg ic
thank hugh/obol for the guide-lines
but above all
wait for the mist to rise
the vision of our sapient paradise
what we had dismissed as childhood fantasy
unreal other-worldly
reality
everyday reality
the vision taking form as a negative appearing gradually on print paper clear to see.
no violence
all one family
simplicity itself
the path of perfection

and then...

2006-09-19T13:31:00.000+01:00

To: Alison.Sedgwick@guardian.co.uk
Mon, 11 Sep 2006

and then there's p a g e a n t a s p h o d e l which introduces the fairy-tale world of obol. fantasy drama for real on planet asphodel....it all fits
it all fits
the cap fits
nutter indeed !

time for armistice in the terror wars

2006-09-19T13:30:00.000+01:00

letters@guardian.co.uk
Mon, 11 Sep 2006

the terror of the in-law-group against the terror of the out-laws, both sides unable to secure victory in this life, quality-of-life attrition rapidly destroying us all. time to consider the non-violent alternative, well presented by www.obolworld.blogspot.com , on which news-channel this email soon appears : the ultimate alternative channel, kept quiet , totally censored by terror-happy media till now. obol of obolworld
at your service, free of charge,
c/o hugh of knockandarragh, donard, co wicklow, ireland
first come first served,
more haste less speed.
open every day this month to all who come in peace.
bring tents.

trumps

2006-09-19T13:28:00.000+01:00

incarnating our highest possible meaning
knowledge and compassion combined
that gives meaning to it all
we cannot fail
it will not let us fail now
just a tiny further tremor through our common mind
and all is union
harmony
perfection
proven in our selves
good souls in good bodies on a healing planet
asphodel
to give it its heavenly name
in adoration
as ever
obol/hugh

nolite me tangere!

2006-09-19T13:25:00.001+01:00

- i'd be clawed to death......!
christ as living present redeemer

"blinkers off !"

2006-09-19T13:25:00.000+01:00

this is the biggest story of all time - so big you cannot deal with it

"sleep-walkers!

be not afraid !" it's not your life that shrivels at my approach - it's your death.

our species was taken prisoner by death. subject to fear : now we adore every passing moment, open full open wide , in wisdom's paradise.

appearance of obolworld

2006-09-19T13:24:00.000+01:00

Sun, 10 Sep 2006

this is the biggest story of all time - so big you cannot deal with it

- "sleep-walkers!"

Re: invitation renewed

2006-09-19T13:23:00.000+01:00

yes. most everyone, including neighbours, "prefer to keep their distance" ' but you are the one to put it into words. And most everyone has something else to do. thus the paradigms appear and self-incapsulate. as ever hugh/obol

advert

2006-09-19T13:21:00.000+01:00

Sat, 9 Sep 2006
in Tinoran now
obol himself interviewing for close associates in new non-coercive era anyone may call in peace daylight hours.
withdrawing from other pursuits for one year

Sat, 9 Sep 2006 - compassion with natasha's gaoler

2006-09-14T07:27:00.001+01:00

involves experiencing his accusers' hell of evil and then seeing it as his redemption in a light he had barely known could shine transfiguring on his sad shrine of soul believed long dead

natasha pronouncement

2006-09-14T07:27:00.000+01:00

natasha granted freedom from public notice for life....may only be noticied publicly on occasion after prior consultation access to media of course as anyone else. edict of obol i should appreciate reporting offenders to me personally....hugh strictly non-coercively of course....

natasha again

2006-09-14T07:26:00.000+01:00

Alison.Sedgwick@guardian.co.uk, international@guardian.co.uk, letters@guardian.co.uk

you see, i know she's different because she had in mind a world in which her gaoler did not need to kill himself, but simply to have worked that one out of his system - with her help. that is obolworld, where all is forgiven when confessed, and the complex confusion of the preceding "world" rapidly unwinds and reappears as if by magic as an intricate pattern of great beauty whch one cannot but love and lose oneself in. ok ?

natasha

2006-09-14T07:25:00.000+01:00

make no mistake, my call is for r e v e r e n c e for natasha, not exploitation for money....she is so far superior to our normal, her choosing to live amongst us is a privilege for us, let us rejoice to welcome her to any home to tell us how she sees us now she's out. as my daughter as any other daughter of mine daughters sisters mothers i demand men show you every respect and affection, untainted by lechery, the equivalent of incest in our universal and universally chaste family. sex-games are for adolescents, no one else, and never exploited.. the deadly sins are deadly and were killing you, you now know.

resistance

2006-09-14T07:24:00.000+01:00

you must know
that what ever you resist about me
is not me

i am

and so thou art

before thou wast not

in time bound

now thou art

in obol as the paradise of obol reigns like a fairy-tale

on planet asphodel

a state of perfection

yes, but...

2006-09-14T07:23:00.000+01:00

yes, i am master of the world, but only by offering and embodying a non-coercive, rational, humane and transcendental solution - the only one possible, perfectly adjusted to our exact position today. a perfect fit

and you are bound to pay attention not by physical coercion but by the irresistible attraction of such a resolution of all our anxieties.

and as you know, and everyone else does too, i want a very quiet happy scene wherever i go and everywhere else too

as it dawns on us what is happening. "so help us god ! " (a word and phrase which fit here, in my opinion, and are better not used regardlessly)

collapse of liberal democracy world-wide

2006-09-14T07:22:00.000+01:00

letters@guardian.co.uk
Sat, 9 Sep 2006 12:24:39 +0100

the power to wage war, which in a liberal democracy so many bestow upon so few, has been cruelly abused. it tempted an american neo-con global putsch, whose apparently irresistible success tempted the british prime minister - and great portions of our fellows fell for it - as they did on the apparent success of a previous german dictator - when i was being rescued from the disastrous aftermath of the socalleGreat War , which prospered manufacturing in the heart of industrialism, tempting my father to join in the pickings, then turning sour and ruining him and his young wife and family.

we all have our stories, and if we see a rosy past or future in the world of liberal democracy , we deceive ourselves. privately, most people today are in despair, despair of the future of our species, either competing for pickings of the carcase or just trying desperately to cling on to traces of a vanishing normality.

you will , probably, prefer to publish letters exclusively addressed to you, o letters editor, but every email of mine of any public interest goes automatically on to my blog site, thus [providing for anyone interested almost anywhere on earth a remarkable running account of my present campaign for what why, to be heard, do you understand ? you know well that terrorists resort to terror only when they are not listened to as equal human beings wirth a viewpoint different from that of those who will not listen to them.

me. you will not listen to me. i offer a non-violent satisfactory answer to your every dilemma. you will not listen..

do you see yet why i regard the Guardian as dead exposed along with bush and blair for what you are ::: a contributory part of that which we abhor. ????

i abhor bullying, cruelty, self-righteousness, inequality, having to conform in order to be listened to.....u name it i give you my opinion why not enquire ???????

chaos point

2006-09-14T07:21:00.000+01:00

Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:46:02 +0100
office@clubofbudapest.org

dear ervin laszlo and associates, we are at the chaos point now....can you not see it ?

september 8

2006-09-14T07:20:00.000+01:00

guilt of guardian

2006-09-14T07:19:00.001+01:00

"I've always had the inverse quote to Godard : film lies 24 times a second" he (De Palma) says, "And anybody that's used to using moving images like a film director, when we see stuff on TV, it's all positioning and public relations, there's not an ounce of truth to any of it I always look behing the image and say , "why are we seeing children with flies on their eyes this week?" Those images are always out there. Like the war in Iraq. If you think Americans are ignorant, it's because we're not seeing anything. We're constantly being manipulated by images (( a n d w o r d s ~obol)). They're lying to us all the time. We have no idea what we're doing".

so, Alison, another nutter. and how creditable it is that the Guardian reports this, while continuing in the farce described ?? that's what i call (un-)(re-)fined hypocrisy, the ultimate lie....its only divine) justification that it's so blatant that , to open eyes it carries only dead weight. o b o l w o r l d by contrast is the life of the world, the rebirth, damaged but wise, knowledgeable, fearless, paying no inner respect to media , politicians, or vested privilege of any sort. what a nutter !! ~all criminally insane today....how recognise a sane wizard? how even conceive it?

the absurdity of it

2006-09-14T07:19:00.000+01:00

know it's absurd, but it's not me that's absurd, and no gallant would attribute it to you....it's the juxtaposition....the very extreme unlikelihood and exact rightness of it....a time of paradox like no other

the fernhill function

2006-09-14T07:18:00.000+01:00

a mature human being

the genius of the garden
of the place
of the world
of the species
of the biomass
gaia's representative in the counsels of humankind

each one of us

so very sacred

our incarnation of the
self-intelligence of the
cosmos so very frail a
prevalent entity

~ obol

michael jackson

2006-09-14T07:17:00.000+01:00

my son gives me no peace.....and now his boyhood idol - and my son is infinitely loyal, why else would he still be here? - is reported living with family in wicklow. and please stephen so wants just simply to be with them for a day or so....and i so want to welcome michael to my home, and let our 2 families meet in pure human affection and without commitment except to purity of intent and act. no past no future the now the sacred moment the actors in the now michael will understand

alison you fix this and you're our best friend for ever and ever amen for the now is the eternal now which is timeless and divine

the mythic war of christ with the world

2006-09-14T07:04:00.000+01:00

To: Alison.Sedgwick@guardian.co.uk
Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:32:43 +0100

dear alison, i have nothing personal against you or anyone else. i believe absolutely in the inviolability of the person, and dissociate myself utterly from physical coercion (the forcing by individual or group of her/his/their will on anyone else at all against the will of that other person no matter on what pretext, nor especially with the agreement of most or all members of a coercive group that they must so coerce whenever for the good of all, etc) . i can see and debate how our troubled species may find all the worrying problems that beset us now resolved to the delight and fulfilment of all - if only my fellows would treat the p o s s i b i l i t y that one of them has stumbled upon the answers (like other pioneers before) and lived with them now for 29 years amongst you - learning all about your resistance to the ideas year by year, hour by hour, till , alison sedgwick of the london g u a r d i a n, it comes to my typing this ultimatum to an unkown lady of a highly and widely respected media institution, rather worldly successor of the m a n c h e s t e r guardian of cp (?) scott, one of the most justly famous of all newspaper editors. i'm a birmingham lad myself, of the blackheath family of george potts sons, edge-tool makers in the works in the field where my mother grew up , long since buried in quinton cemetery, my grandfather and later my uncle cecil would have travelled to manchester on business. in the international wing of the new dublin gaol which i visited recently i discovered from people of all races that manchester is fondly thought of today...especially when compared to d u b l i n. and in a couple of weeks i expect a visit from my mixed-race cousin joseph potts, who lives in birmingham.

YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT FEATURE ME NOW
even tho it starts a scramble i am prepared, i have prepared the police and the district.
i have devised a global pageant to divert attention in the most delightful way to their/our p a r a d i s a l state.

head in hands ??? don't know whether to laugh or cry ?? like an acid trip """

give up alison whoever you are and come yourself now, leaving note on desk, grabbing cash and flying to dublin, hiring car and first come first served others have to wait turn won't be hurried ring of cameras round townland no penetration any found are outlaws will be stripped and mercilessly returned to the rest for judgment no credit no pornography tolerated inside that townland boundary paradise starts here and when featured lifts all hearts at once, amazement universal ok
what the hell are you waiting for now ??? permission ? k a f k a
walk in,
all welcome
price paid.

Condi

2006-09-08T02:27:00.000+01:00

.Q. has the resemblance of Rice to Goebbels yet featured in american media (cartoons?)

see today's Guardian p.33 sidney.blumenthal

condemnation of entire civilisation, e.g. guardian (london 14.35 6th sep eo29th)

2006-09-08T02:26:00.000+01:00

international@guardian.co.uk

THE GUARDIAN

GUILTY OF (UN-)REFINED HYPOCRISY thro and thro "pharisaic" whitened sepulchre etc

see emeil earlier today to guardian's foreign editor, arising from (un-)refined pornographic interest in natasha's "plight" and subsequent exploitation - instead of common cause" with such a wonderfully educated and intelligent young woman, from whom we have so much to learn, as she mingles with them from the taint of whose corruption he secluded her, preserving an earlier model of young womanhood that those fashionable in an openly corrupt world since.

Q. WHO SEES IT FROM HIS VISIONARY EYES ? ,saved "immaculate but not ignorant" she can surely teach us so much to our advantage....if we just took her back with reverence....REVERENCE 11111 REVERENCE do ye hear, ye corrupt pornographers. ours is a terribly CORRUPT SOCIETY a cancer on the earth A CANCER ON THE EARTH do ye hear ???DO YE??? either it now dies in transformation, the triumph of good over evil, of wisdom over folly etc, or it is killed as a healthy body (Gaia) must kill a growth that promised well but turned malignant, self-aggrandising at the host's expense to a threatening extent....and with us go much of life on earth, in global death-throes of our internecine species, forgetting all else in rivalry for goodies, no longer seeing the possible transcendental sense in it all....the very predicted point, when all seems black, that the globally ultimate light shines forth, transfiguring the entire scene. ok ? fellows......will ye join in my birthday celebrations this year, or must i taunt you longer...i will surely do so till ye recognise my claim to be heard understand? this is not blackmail, this is above board....this is permitted to the living messiah demanding recognition from a people living in darkness.

this appears on my blogspot very soon. when outsiders check on my blogsite, they read this, and THEN THE BALLOON GOES UP, my friends. i struggle to survive till then and help my kids and their kids, all of whom in your terms my special responsibility - but in my terms YOURS,,,,,,,other-interest prevailing. such a change for us all, and not least my beleaguered and obstinately affectionate progeny....thank alma.

personal Ms Harriet Sherwood please

2006-09-08T02:21:00.000+01:00

To: international@guardian.co.uk
Thu, 7 Sep 2006 13:09:59 +0100

Ms Sherwood, Harriet,

I write to you because you are the foreign editor of The Guardian - a paper I read even though I despair of it - but I write to you as an individual human being, a fellow human being , before, do-existent with, and after your professional life. You live in a world that most ordinary people I meet - such as a young and lively vet who came to administer a lethal dose to an old and sick dog of ours yesterday evening , but stayed to talk wonderfully openly - or such as the unassuming family of natives on the coast of County Clare I had the good fortune to live among for a couple of days late in July - take it for granted that our species is fucked , out of control, led by insane blind power-happy individuals who could be us, futile to some extent trying to mend what is broken , only invariably to worsen the whole. Meanwhile we soldier on, our families and friends dysfunctional , pitted one against the other and group aganst group in a lust for power, wealth, sex, entertainment and the devil's work of material gain at the expense of sanity and, soon, of life itself. Fear the Chinese , and work harder and more cunningly ! Invest in the Chinese , and screw your mates ! And , if you're controller of The Guardian, publish clever articles on every aspect of all this as it happens, meanwhile participating knowingly - that's hypocrisy, you know , Ms Harriet - by simultaneously deploring the evils of and whore-like earning your keep by selling global tourism. In your own interests you cheat, like everyone else. Amd you denounce such cheating, and justify doing it because it allows you to earn a good material life-style printing virtuous words - and you believe it your duty to keep the paper going with even more disreputable material year on year (like the others)...that's the devil's price for mammon-worship....degradation and death....it's logic, you know

"Religion" is the alternative, but in a world of mammon-worship, it is not understood as alternative, but as adjunct - and as adjunct (even of tribal identity) it is a ghastly thing, a parody of itself. In itself it is characterised by selflessness (not self-interest, individual or group), absolute equality , freedom to think, feel , speak and do anything that does not violate another's identical freedom, cooperation in good and abhorrence of evil, perfect willingness to die at any moment rather than compromise such principles for personal or group death is nothing to the religious person, for she or he values not self but the wonder of it all when so loved - "it all" as reported by the senses and interpreted by the perfect mirror of the mind , a mind entranced by the meaning of everything separately and together, and ignorant of anxiety.

Ms Sherwood, for 29 years later this month, I have been investigating the meaning and practicality of this alternative to our present way of life, and living it as far as consistent with surviving to tell the tale. This last 29th year I have been registering thoughts that occurred to me - in my 29th year of such study - on a blog set up for me by my eldest daughter in Singapore (married to a man you, as foreign editor of the Guardian either already know or shortly will, a research fellow of the southeastasian institute of the University of Singapore, ooi kee beng by name, whose new book is expected to make quite a stir in the Malayan archipelago and beyond), but virtually no one on earth has shown interest in my thoughts. After all, they are quite other, and the thinker is known to be quite mad. ( Imagines he must be the predicted second appearance of "christ", since his ideas would complete the story if adopted...think of it!)

My daughter and family will spend the next three weeks at my home here in Ireland....you could scoop a story on kee beng...but my other five children will be here too, and 4 grand-children, and one of my two elder sisters, and later a mixed-race young cousin from Birmingham, a video-film maker who this time comes with camera....you see I am quite mad....all those who actually check me out know it....'fwd a recent email from a hiker confirming it,,,(malicieux = mischievous pardon my french ) if I remember and am not distracted...family life in these circs is almost insupportable...no secretary, constant threat of on-the-spot car-theft or personal arrest by friendly but mercenary police...etc etc. So you could with other journalists scoop the world and help change it once and for all infinitely for the better....but, I was forgetting, you are a mercenary too, committed to belief in mammon, in liberal democracy where any surplus should be used to increase same, not distributed to those in deficiency out of common cause, common decency ... the clear teaching of Jesus of Nazareth, and the clear logic of your present emailer's position.

with all good wishes - for all on earth and the rest of life of which we understand ourselves to be but a surprisingly intelligent and appreciative part - in obolworld. Hugh Sacker, Knockandarragh, Donard, Co.Wicklow 00000000000000000+353 (0)45 404049

Subject: President Bush's horizon

2006-09-07T07:21:00.000+01:00

To: international@guardian.co.uk
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 8:06 PM

The "civilised world" in which we live is not an ultimate, any more than any of the many and various cultures which have made and do make it up. From within it may seem so, but to one who knows it well and has stepped outside, everything points to its present collapse. Whether we face annihilation or transformation is the question many would like to see addressed. I myself have elaborated the transformation i hold logical and satisfying for nearly 30 years now, without media interest. It seems to me the media are content to go over and over the same ground indefinitely, and ever more pessimistically - just so long as it sells. But I repeat "our (so-called) civilised world is not an ultimate", and when we face this obvious truth, the mood may lighten..

the monomania of hugh/obol

2006-09-07T07:20:00.000+01:00

"Forgive me", i wrote. "For what ?" you replied.

It is my monomania that sets me apart, as i suggest (in their ways) it did jesus/christ or gautama/buddha.

It may yet prove the salvation of the species.

I think we three (and unspecified others) discovered the bliss of a different experience of life on earth from that customary around us, and completely integrated it with everything known in the society of our various times. And i think the present instance of this phenomenon is the final one in the series, and should logically result in the entire species together discovering this experience and the reasoning that accompanies it. Then "all things will be made plain" in principle, and as daily life unrolls in continuous wonder and delight.

I accept no particular responsibility for it, or for any thought or deed of mine, nor do i attribute such responsibility to others. Blame and honour do not belong to humans in obolworld. What i do do is labour on until either my story flashes across the earth or death do me part, whichever comes first - but i doubt very much whether my story will have the imagined effect if only widely known after my death.

Forgive me.
hugh/obol

the power of forgetting (Karen Armstrong)

2006-08-24T03:14:00.000+01:00

Following Karen Armstrong's advice to empty the mind, maybe some individuals would even listen to me, i who preach a second Great Transformation, when other- and whole-love will , like a global tsunami, flood away our addiction to self-love , when we discover the wonder of that compassion which forgets self in identification with other , and peace and sanity descend upon our troubled and glorious species in a final sudden maturation. Some record of my thinking over the past year on principles and practice of this development are available to anyone interested on www.obolworld.blogspot.com, but only in personal and then general dialogue can doubters' problems be settled. So far the media have shown no interest - too concerned perhaps with their own survival in a world of competing pyramids of power.

"spewing hate"

2006-08-24T03:13:00.000+01:00

"i want" you, to realise your squeaky-cleanness and power (to show love and money) may have combined to make james , who is not squeaky=clean, nor has ample money enough of his own, trade on you, getting trapped in a web of deception that only you fully fail to accept. when you realise and accept this [possibility , both of you may attain a better understanding, and j. will lose the need to "control" his position at all times. i have no reason to doubt that both of you are , "underneath" , normally decent people, led astray by circumstances beyond your control , from birth.

i was involved in this by j. and j.' doctor (with j. in the room), and have investigated to find the truth. i am also motivated by my desire to see the world clean up, for the present and future of (it) all. outside investigators seldom diagnose what the insiders themselves believe. i make no claim to be squeaky-clean myself, but my commitment is not to be doubted.

i do not imagine for one moment that L. is perfect , but i naturally have her welfare at heart...along with that of everyone else. i may of course be mistaken, but my diagnosis would have to be taken seriously (not indignantly brushed aside) before anyone could know. i offer it as a considered help to those concerned, and the world at large.

i also , myself, take seriously my claims to be the pivot around which the world will turn.... and i have on occasion hoped marianne might investigate these , and thus help them be proved right or wrong. so long as they are ignored, the reluctance of the world to change may reasonably be suspected of being the obstacle to the salvation of the species. on the other hand, as you know, i regard every item as perfectly contributory , and the solution as bound to happen at the perfect moment, revealing all that went before as awesomly necessary.

i ask .above all, for l.'s forgiveness in following up the summons in the way seeming best to me....what else can one do?

i sincerely wish the best for everyone as ever

money and power

2006-08-24T03:10:00.001+01:00

l.'s getting back in touch, much better. she says j. wonders if i'm after money.....no to all intents and purposes i have none since 28+ years ago, and wish none. (I've refused offer to pay my fine - and save me gaol. i welcome gaol..if that is what is on offer. i experience life under the laws of territorial protection racketeers as a far more demanding prison than life inside, for me today)

i'm against money and power. i preach and teach a world society without money, power or property. a selfless society where we all possess nothing but in love tend one another and the planet...raptured by the wonder of it all.

i war against selves, individual and group selves. they are my "personal" enemy. i praised your-self, teased your-self, and then broke with your-self. you probably interpret it differently. no matter. we don't have to bother about one another particularly....except as parents of two people involved with one another in a world of power and money.

i am more than fully occupied my grandson chose to spend the night with me alone last night....exhausting only because i'm old and slow by comparison. delightful.

j. is a game player. i think you're too serious...self-perfection is, as i said, the opposite of what i believe in - which is loss of self - which cannot cannot be effected by a self . it happens now and then - and will, i believe, happen to us all , the whole species, shortly. to further that is what i consider my particular "job". we shall see (proof of pudding...)

as ever and i'm so glad l.'s better. weight off my mind. (in a world of selves, one has to care for any more or less dependent selves while at the same time seeking the end of that world and of all selves less than the SELF of It All.) feel free to feel and think of me as it occurs to you no other way

my "job"

2006-08-24T03:01:00.000+01:00

since late september ad 1977

i have had to protect my family's "selves" in a
world of selves ,

while at the same time warring against that world

and all "selves", though not the people with them.

compassion

2006-08-24T02:35:00.000+01:00

Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:53:58 +0100

suffering the same suffering as the other person, with the other person, but for different reason.... compassion. careless of self-security . unintentional . unintentional but accepting accepting

with luck both are released jews , muslims. christians , marxists even buddhists all the world ~ christ

fidel Socrates

2006-08-24T02:33:00.001+01:00

Gabriel Garcia Marquez, author of one of the best books ever written (100 years of solitude) , has published an article in the Cuban newspaper Gramma, excerpted in today's excellent edition of the (London) Guardian. Final sentence of excerpt : "On seeing him overburdened with the weight of so many distant destinies, I asked him what it was that he most wished to do in the world, and he immediately answered me : "Stand on a corner."

i take off my hat to both of them and to the Guardian which today especially publishes also the o t h e r points of view.

doctor mundi

2006-08-24T02:33:00.000+01:00

obol
tired but happy
xx
hugh

j. ' maculacy

2006-08-24T02:32:00.000+01:00

j.' maculacy was concealed only from his mother, who did not want to know. an open and generous rogue, disturbed by his effect on my daughter.......well, i hope so......the possible alternative (which i have mentioned to his doctor in milltown malbay as possible) , that he is sufficiently sad to enjoy watching victims squirm and fail , is contemplatable, since the media turn up such cases daily sorely needing redemption

motivation of obol

2006-08-24T02:31:00.000+01:00

one might say "for the sake of others i redeem you". or for the sake of life on earth or for christ's sake or for my own sake (to be let off in a year or so, and retire before physical death ?) or "because i do" : my slot in the cosmos - which cosmos i worship as divine (our divinity ,-whose articulations are deciphered sufficiently by now, revealing the infinite glory of the whole) which so orders things that i do what i do as you too with (as you will see) a divine outcome or i am mistaken so what?

socrates

2006-08-24T02:30:00.000+01:00

you say you ask questions "like socrates"........do you really suppose your (socially very well-placed) position with regard to me (drop-out outlaw critic of society) resembles that of socrates (drop-out, evrentually outlawed critic of society) to the young cubs of his day ?? such confusion

drugs and money

2006-08-22T15:53:00.000+01:00

it is the buying and selling of drugs (mind-altering chemicals) that is the problem. there is money to be made, both by drug companies (among the world's biggest businesses, and self-interested) and by gangsters (out to make as much money as possible, no appeal for them to the laws of territorial protection racketeers (governments) , since these have prohibited the drugs they neither understand not profit from.

it is MONEY and POWER that are the problem MAMMON . and i am christ and mammon falls of its own failure, and sanity and love win of their own natural strength. i am but a cog in the machine. at this point a central cog. that can happen too.
love as ever and understanding now the species enters our WISDOM , our UNION , our SALVATION. OBOLWORLD.

DRUGS and SAPIENCE

2006-08-22T15:52:00.000+01:00

it is doubtful if there has ever been a human culture which did not use drugs : humans are drug-users., primates who use discovered or man-made chemicals to induce alterations of consciousness. ( i have travelled widely, and can corroborate this statement. recently the use of such drugs by classical (greek? and ) roman writers has been researched. many if not most artists and stage-performers use them etc|)

.it is quite possible that experimentation of this sort is where humans separated from other primates (cf the garden of eden srory, indicating an extension or aberration of mind following eating a forbidden fruit....primate groups teach their young what is good to eat , like other animals; consuming mind-altering leaves or seeds etc doubtless usually would lead to disaster for primate young).

societies develop using some drugs and not others. thus "WESTERN" SOCIETY, WHERE THE EXCEEDINGLY DANGEROUS DRUGS TOBACCO AND ALCOHOL ARE LEGAL and provide revenue for their rulers.., and where other drugs traditional in other societies (and to some extent in western tradition too but not licensed or taxed) have threatened the status quo and been prohibited, leading to multi-billion criminal trades, and no understanding whatsoever. (divide and rule is the practice of all coercivre government...i repeat ..divide and rule is the practice of all coercive government).

the problem with any drug is its benign or malign use prohibition hugely handicaps the dissemination of the benign use of banned drugs. so their malign use flourishes since it is money-making to push them and there is no legal teaching of their benign use. our species was doomed to become sapient SAPIENCE OUR DESTINY

i have been studying this problem for half my life. i can teach the answer and when all have become christ drugs will scarcely be relevant at all they feature in a lost world but that world is now passing away in the illumination of return to eden sapient now.

when marianne claims that pot-smoking students in her classes are mindless, she sees absence of mind and rejects it; she may be right, she may be wrong . (is attending to her spiel vital for the student or seeing through her act and limitation ? or just dreamily recovering from something else which may or may not have been "positive"). crucial is that she , ignoant and prejudiced as she is, she CANNOT judge but thinks she can - no different from georgie w bush)

love obol c/o hugh of knockandarragh, donard, co wicklow +353 (0)45 404049 (suppressed publicly rather than debated with so far....prohibition , like the war on terror does not make for free discussion, and general enlightenment

On 8/11/06 3:39 PM,

2006-08-22T15:46:00.000+01:00

there are circumstances where a tiny chemical change in the brain can trigger a shift of understanding to a perfectly impartial and compassionate level without anxiety

this is what positive healing drug-taking is all about

for instance in christian communion/mass practice through out the ages, the ritual sets the set and then a tiny drop of wine is added (to the priesthood in a hierarchic society or to all initiate members of the church in an egalitatian one).

bonded if only momentarily in a deeper mental/spiritual level than everyday i can share in teaching how to use "pot" as you quaintly call cannabis (resin or grass), as i can teach positive gamesmanship , and how to face life altogether and relate any item to an infinitely satisfying order with an occasional pull at the pipe. yes, maybe i store up trouble for the future, 81 and still going strong and living in the present

more pot

2006-08-22T15:43:00.000+01:00

available cars

2006-08-22T15:42:00.000+01:00

you see, only by imprisoniong me, can they stop me driving old cars....there's an endless supply of cars just failed the test but still roadworthy fon no money passing at all for recycling a last service to a destitute ole man who needs a car and cares nothing for the authorities life in gaol a heaven for an orphan boarding school boy

what a wonderful education
for life christ's hospital was for me !! i owe them everything, and to everybody else of course without us all just as we are it never did and possibly never coould happen it happens like this with us ladies and gents and kids and elders age-change on this planet now named asphodel to mark the new start we now as a species make together wiser hopefully now

i'd really like gently understanding company please held out long time and all that and then we plan as we go it will be out of our hands except to insist on the best possible handling throughout and all over within 12 months

be (un-)afraid !

2006-08-22T15:39:00.000+01:00

Fri, 11 Aug 2006

peter tierney was scared
people are getting scared
i am christ incarnate
doing the job of same
the way i do it is the WAY
you understand
the way we now as a species travel together
for the good of all and of our planet home
and for further infinite goodness
the mysteries of which we may well expect
to investigate further,
endlessly enchanting
as we go

"you'll never understand" lyric opening of pageant asphodel

2006-08-22T15:36:00.001+01:00

"you don't understand"

it's like a magnetic field here strengthening by the hour

just now with peter tierney whose old french car is just being given to stephen only peter is worried about his legal position when stephen is caught driving it stephen like myself is banned and has no docs we can both drive period we would like better cars if cars at all i'd like pony & trap and that sort of thing myslf but they make the world we live in and then order us to live by their rules i am a rebel for all you hold dear you idiots

Re: Peace?

2006-08-22T15:34:00.000+01:00

Fri, 11 Aug 2006

we are puppets working out not just our salvation, but the service we render
the cosmos in our maturity as a species. you may not "like" my rending, but it's all one to me. through suffering we learn , and all that.
stripping the veneer off the positions people have been reduced to by
the terror world, all over now now everything depends on that NOW
it's now to me but not yet for thee, except occasionally... in
obolworld it's always now and reality is so glorious as our minds
interact with it idyllically you are not easily deterred
and that's a compliment

cut loose

2006-08-22T15:31:00.001+01:00

turn your dependants loose, to follow or not, as fate dictates you have had them in your keeping, and can no longer do so. we are all "in keeping", believe me, NOW TIME TO ACT ON THAT FACT.

gentility

2006-08-22T15:31:00.000+01:00

in the world now being superseded, gentility was protected by the war machine looking after its own - thus suryan and marianne. in obolworld, now superseding that world of terror, gentility is protected by universal compassion and understanding. (no coercion.) each individual undergoes transformation at the changeover. it is not optional

one small error

2006-08-22T15:30:00.001+01:00

one slight taking for granted, denying my statements of my role, lightly supposing me just another one of your well-meaning acquaintance, and you're finished. and similarly with everyone else. you're on the flloor, floored, but so is everyone else. pll lg ic your only hope now. don't bother to look me up. conceit was your downfall.

walnut

2006-08-22T15:30:00.000+01:00

suryan, your life is destroyed. your circle of friends divided how far they respond at eavch stage to the messianic trumpet call.. divided in themselves and one from another, divided from you and you are divided in your self all isolated now as is everyone who hears my call the entire world in fast sequence is stopped, pauses,,,devastation on one hand healing on the other

then no coercion peace logic love etc guidelines for a dazed species website on which all appears shortly again (littly away in malaya just now, husband's triumph ?)

our minds are walnut encased and the walnut is cracking open to reveal the soul as ever obol

assertion

2006-08-22T15:29:00.001+01:00

one assertion i do make viz. "no one knows the (in-)significance of my position better than i do" - it is an aspect of its strength

a divine mystery play

2006-08-22T15:29:00.000+01:00

the makings of obolworld

my qualifications

2006-08-22T15:26:00.000+01:00

my qualifications are sufficient for my role

unimpressed, you doubt it, and keep your distance

i am qualified and i am succeeding and my people shall inharit our planetary sapient paradise, enterint into genaral healing wondrously as i do and you will

christ-buddha obol due to invade all hearts and minds in peace, liberty (from social coercion), surrender, wisdom, compassion as worshipped by marianne in the figure of the White Tara now incarnate in her sex globally. amen obol

Re: Stop the Bloodshed

2006-08-22T03:48:00.000+01:00

do you not want an end to the terror wars? are you not prepared to
sacrifice your own IDs for peace and sanity on earth ? do you
seriously suppose you can continue more or less as you are, and the world be
rescued from the acute terminal downhill spiral we as a species are engaged in
? do you seriously imagine the UN etc etc can rescue the system
it/they/we are a part of ???? delusion delusion my friends wheter you
happen to be on suryan's mailing list or not. this message goes out to all the
world. the solution lies in paying attention to me try
www.obolworld.blogspot.com and let's all join in a global healing
without any physical terror at all. that is the world of obol,
the contemporary human version of the leader of the species out of error
into union with the cosmos, introducing a new, and now perfected item :
the wisdom in the skulls of a sapient species of primate on a planet of
our star sol in the galaxy we call Milky Way, this planet being known in
obolworld as ASPHODEL the change-over to which by all on the planet
voluntarily takes place via a global voluntary pageant entitled
PAGEANT ASPHODEL now preparing to launch with full police support in the
country town of BALTINGLASS in the county of WICKLOW, on the island
of IRELAND , off the westnorwest coast of the landmass of EURASIA where
our species developed the sort of city/farmland cultures that have nurtured
our SAPIENCE, now at long last entering the WISDOM stage of the species.
: a blessing and not a curse on the planet concerned.

Subject: Stop the Bloodshed
>
> Dear friends,
> We haven't been in touch very often since our work around Iraq. But
with
> civilians in Israel and Lebanon dying daily, we're at another
critical
> global moment.
> Regional and global leaders continue to fail to come up with a
workable
> plan to stop the violence in the Middle East. Our friends at the
Ceasefire
> Campaign are urging people around the world to pressure the Security
> Council to come up with a real plan to get an immediate ceasefire and
> international peacekeepers. This is a sensible call that would curb
the
> bloodshed while laying the groundwork for a more enduring peace.
> The Ceasefire Campaign is looking for 1 million co-sponsors to
deliver
> their petition to the Security Council this week. Can you join them?
Sign
> here:
> http://www.ceasefirecampaign.org/mo/en.html
> Sincerely,
> –Eli Pariser
> P.S. Here's a message from the Ceasefire Campaign with some more
detail:
> Dear friends,
> For more than three weeks now we've watched the bloodshed in the
Middle
> East with horror. All the while, global and regional leaders have
stood by
> and failed to take the necessary action to stop the violence.
Finally,
> this weekend, the US and France reached agreement on a plan. But this
> compromise plan fails to call for a full ceasefire and is so weak
that the
> violence has not—and will not—stop.
> http://www.ceasefirecampaign.org/mo/en.html
> This is unacceptable.
Hundreds of innocent civilians have already been
> killed, thousands have been wounded, and almost a million people have
been
> made homeless.
> The UN Security Council will be meeting early this week to try to
resolve
> the crisis. They need to know that the world is watching them, and
that
> anything less than an immediate ceasefire is not good enough. Click
here
> to sign this petition demanding that the members of the UN Security
> Council take immediate action to end this bloodshed.
> http://www.ceasefirecampaign.org/mo/en.html
> Please sign the
petition today, and then spread the word by forwarding
> this email on to all your friends and family. Our goal is to deliver
a
> petition to the Security Council with 1 million signatures this week,
and
> to publicize the petition in major newspapers in the capitals of the
US,
> UK, France and other Security Council members.
> Thanks so much for your help,
> Ricken Patel
> CeasefireCampaign.org
> P.S. Groups and leaders from across the world and from diverse
> perspectives agree that an urgent ceasefire is an important part of
> resolving this crisis. Most countries of the world, from Lebanon to
> Tanzania to India, have called for a ceasefire, and have been joined
by
> major international NGOs such as Oxfam and Amnesty International.
> Christian leaders such as Pope Benedict XVI, and the World Council of
> Churches have also called for a ceasefire Arab and Muslim
organizations
> such as the Organization of the Islamic Conference have also been
joined
> by Israeli and Jewish groups such as Meretz Israel, Degel HaTorah,
and
> Brit Tzedek v'Shalom in calling for a ceasefire.

g2 today 11th back page

2006-08-22T03:47:00.001+01:00

letters@guardian.co.uk
Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:18:33 +0100

please inform charlie brooker that it so happens that the future he wants is "just round the corner", introductory matter www.obolworld.blogspot.com , pageant of unreadiness opening baltinglass co wicklow , with hugh of knockandarragh acting obol, shortly. charlie brooker testing now sincerity itself h.sacker knockandarragh donard co wicklow ireland (where else ?).
n.b. this letter will appear on website after weekend h.s.

form of submission

2006-08-22T03:47:00.000+01:00

just how the worldly world submits we live to discover as we act it out. i expect a delegation here in my home, where i first experienced this mission back in late september ad 1977, and where i have made my base ever since. i wish it put into global care, please. as all the rest of the planet. i have long waited for a friendly visit from superintendant tom mulligan of baltinglass gardai, it would be lovely if m. and j. came too - with my daughter L., presently whiling away her days in dublin, waiting for a call. and s. and o. ....claire? whatever it will be perfect as it is and obolworld will be famous and improved on in the event so that i can disappear for a little while "JOB DONE"

israeli storm troopers

2006-08-22T03:45:00.000+01:00

Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:01:21 +0100

the elite corps in america's army were the israelis , trained in hitler's concentration camps , after a century of european pogroms, after a 3-million history of dispossession - of a migrant tribe according to their legends, or possibly of an expelled band of monotheistic heretics from ancient egypt according to modern hypothesis - and now beaten by the elite corps of their semitic brothers , competing still as ever for the same strip of good land. that, my friends, may be the last such episode in the history of our species.....you just have to pay attention to me for a short while, and not remain in denial, keeping it all going on its suicidal way.

invoking....

2006-08-22T03:41:00.000+01:00

you invoked the divinity - and want to know what you're getting into before submersion "just exactly what, hugh ?" selig du seliges kind

change0ver

2006-08-21T07:57:00.000+01:00

with respect, you do not seem to have grasped the idea that the dream of good souls in heaven now takes place on earth (renamed asphodel), our bodies and situations remain the same but we identify as good souls, predominately, overwhelmingly , before us the bad selves cower flee dissolve into phantasties and are gone, of the past of our species that is now, and i have (been) prepared to give advice during these early days of general recognition hold fasdt pll lg ic money and power have no meaning any more powerlessness and moneyless is the height of fashion with elegance courteously all do a bit and all get equal shares in each and every scene no inter-human coercion rather die than coerce - or live in a coercive system or live in a coercive system period

amen

bonds of society

2006-08-21T03:25:00.000+01:00

august 10th
...............................

the bonds of sisterhood then sister-to-brother and so to brotherhood bound similarly mirror-wise

and then vitality comes into it with procreation and rearing. ideally one brother mates with one sister, in the greatest extension from each other's base as strengthens the whole - mixes the genes best and makes for most fun and harmony

all one family the mother-son bond is a fact that plays no great part in this general picture, its best interest in strengthening all the rest - for child-birth and rearing is the central social interest around which all the rest rotates

LOGIC you see, in union with peace and love ,

i'm very tired and so are my family, and all the people we meet are running faster than ever.....the devil's handiwork who sold whose souls ? obol

self-experimentation

2006-08-21T03:19:00.000+01:00

to learn by experiment is considered noble especially if experimentation is centred on oneself , ignoble when we experiment on others, of same or any other species.

i have studied living, human life, in and out of institutions, socially accepted and socially rejected, on drugs of various kinds and off and in others and the opinions of users and non-users - though the self-righteousness ot the 2 groups is very different, and the knowledge and understanding too - but i have formed my own judgments openly available and ever shifting slightly with new evidence ok ? try it it works

"on pot"

2006-08-21T03:17:00.000+01:00

in an anxious society, an individual's mind is seldom free to perfectly attend to the present moment as one succeeds to another the stream of the present

people talk wistfully of such a possibility which if sustainable were paradise

when one's individual mind perfectly mirrored the moment as it passes ever uncluttered of itself the true mirror of the mind reflecting passing reality the presence of an aspect of reality WITHOUT FEAR OR FAVOUR APPRECIATING IT AS IT IS TAKING ITS OWN PART IN IT NATURALLY WITHOUT ANXIETY

now it is possible to take medicine which in the right circumstances can loosenb the hoold of anxiety on the mind and free it to adapt to and appreciate fully the present moment with joyous acclaim

and there are countless drugs, legal and illegal - a bias we could well do without - which complicate this process - possibly with other beneficial effects.

think on these lines marianne, and everyone, and leave the tramlines behind
hugh pll lg ic more like trolley-busd ?

judgement

2006-08-21T03:14:00.000+01:00

felons all !

it is not possible to contract out of my judgment.

Re: QUESTIONS

2006-08-21T03:10:00.000+01:00

you certainly do not know your poor dead self
it's there in your mind
behind you
you are due to be reborn
out of your mind
your world
"history" wherever you look wasteland
now you are rising again in my
world
the world in my mind
the mind of christ triumphant
bringing resolution to the species
a world of love and wit
idiot!
(don't mind me....no one ever won a slanging match with me....unfair you cry
seems fair to me i say good-looking for her age yeah let that one
live no? next please.)

an "original", global master...?

2006-08-21T03:04:00.000+01:00

since it is clearly not apparent, even to so sophisticated , intelligent and interested person as marianne, i ask myself "what is special about me?" as obol that is.

i am an original "spiritual master", i.e. not one who has been inducted by a master, in a line of masters, but one on whom mastery has been bestowed "out of the blue".

the traditions which i "incorporate" are global, from all over the world, cultures various , simple and sophisticated. (previous acknowledged masters have developed in a specific human culture, and not embraced in their terminology etc all human cultures (thus jesus of nazareth in the patriarchal jewish , etc).

it is my task, as i see it, to introduce the all-at-once species-wide transformation of human mentality and behaviour - forecast in jewish and christian traditions, as in many if not most others. i lead the Way, and miraculously yet logically all follow.

in the meantime i do my family and other duties, all the time "judging and forgiving" in the light of my teachings.

i have as yet sympathisers but no disciples. I do not know the future in detail, anymore than anyone else does, but i do not expect disciples. what i expect is a mass realisation that there is only one solution to humanity's present troubles, and i present it.

like other supreme masters, i claim no credit, and seek no veneration. the transformation is all that matters.

one absolute law : NO (PHYSICAL) COERCION EXCEPT IF NEED BE TO KEEP THE PEACE.

one set of guide-lines peace, logic, love

local, global

impartial, compassionate

(pll lg ic)

one small out--of-print book PEACE ON EARTH (1996)

one introductory web-site www.obolworld.blogspot.com

and i am available to anyone in peace for 12 months; after which i seek obscurity till death do us part.

thank you obol

Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 6:43 PM

2006-08-21T02:51:00.000+01:00

i hope i've made this clear.
sacrifice everything
lead the way
live off others' compassion
trust compassion only
that is the gate you seek.
period

Fw: how these things start?

2006-08-21T02:36:00.000+01:00

To: michael.gove@thetimes.co.uk ; comment@thetimes.co.uk
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: how these things start?

yes, right honourable sir, and there are almost infinite answers. i like : particularly in the disputed and devastated border countries caught in the war for world domination between 2 "european" blocs that raged in the second half of the last century, and dogs us still, violent anarchy was let loose, and now constitutes a curse on both our houses, fired by a fundamentalist faith - not unlike george w. bush's. i set out my solution on a website www.obolworld.blogspot.com , for when you have time and interest.

Re: Let's all try to perfect ourselves

2006-08-21T02:33:00.001+01:00

the self disappears.
you cannot achieve this.
it either happens, when
the logic is right,
or not.
loss of self,
loss of interest in self,
in love of others and the whole,
as it is, as they are. to seek it is
destiny.
to find it also.

but at this stage, all alive and not utterly witless
are doomed to find it.,
not by merit,
dear me no,
by grace ,
for, amazingly enough,
the system does this at this stage.
(only just in time....when else?!)

allah is merciful

Fw: times 2 lucy alexander 9th aug p.2

2006-08-21T02:24:00.000+01:00

To: letters@thetimes.co.uk
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 3:26 PM
Subject: times 2 lucy alexander 9th aug p.2

"In the good old days" , before the Hitler war, a maid set out the breakfast table for my aunt and uncle (and in the holidays, when at home, for their son and me, an orphaned nephew) .
They sat at opposite ends of the oak breakfast table, a stack of letters before each , The Times her end, The Daily Mail his - for her to check obituaries and possibly relevant data and tip him off, while he upped on chat to get by the business people he'd meet during the day. I do not remember any "features section". Nowadays of course, The Times covers all eventualities - though , like the unredeemed idiot i am, i check The Guardian for the opinions and reasonings of some of your former editors, etc.

total war

2006-08-21T02:19:00.000+01:00

as christ reincarnate, i am engaged in non-physically-violent total war against the worldly world
and have been so engaged
openly
publicly
unremittingly
for nearly 29 years now.

mirror mirror on the wall

2006-08-21T02:18:00.000+01:00

beware of seeking confirmation of own self-image.......after compulsive toilet-training .....(.a basic process for the passing-on of anxiety........clean hands in a world of corruption are a disqualification.).....no need to go on the road....just give everything away that protects you......everything ....and you may discover the unforced love of christ in those you meet.

8 august 2006 -- fit for the role

2006-08-19T02:30:00.002+01:00

i reckon you are,
come on wonderfully,
diagnosed "spoilt despite herself" early on,
identified with,
then devastated
again and again
... 88888
back on her feet she is,
wicked as ever
,,,,a couple of weeks sharpening up
and ready for public voice of the world
leading the investigation into
the professed redeemer incarnate
obol
in hugh of knockandarragh inventor of the pageant asphodel

the bride

2006-08-19T02:28:00.001+01:00

in discreet french-buddhist bridal array, laden with honours , attended by the eminent doctors of oxford and athens, to name but 2.
the whole world in her train
as was said beforehand
by
your best friend out of this world
hugh of knockandarragh
bit actor

enter marianne

2006-08-19T02:28:00.000+01:00

cast in a role of a lifetime, beyond her dreams, how could she longer hold out ? courage with due consideration had ever been her hall-mark

enter marianne mcdonald, leading a motley train of interested individuals

words by athol lugard ????

roles for all
limelight today
obscurity tomorrow
all equally treated no matter what role
a changed society
obolworld
xx hugh

athol's drama

2006-08-19T02:27:00.000+01:00

scene
"christ woos the world"
pageant asphodel
is now running

either/or

2006-08-19T02:20:00.000+01:00

living in compassion
or living in common criminality;
god or mammon
obolworld is life in compassion
no other security
all together now
no coercion

peace, logic, love

local , global

impartial , compassionate

comparable termw anywhere else ?
then we join ?
all voluntary except compulsory non-violence
enforced by all members
the basis of a sane and loving society
100%

hugh sacker (obol since school)

compassion

2006-08-19T02:19:00.000+01:00

the essence of compassion is to lose oneself in identification with the other......it is always involuntary and transformational

false compassion retains self
and feels and acts charitably
status quo unaltered

that is why the rich young man of the gospels had to give all away
only that is compassion
it cannot be achieved
it is not meritorious
it is compassion

Re: next best

2006-08-19T02:15:00.000+01:00

one of my problems has been to see the facts
apocalyptic
and i always refer every item in my mental view to its total social understanding of the scene and to the infinite harmony in my own mind
keeping all together all the time
leaving trails of unique minds in touch with mine
willing and programmed to join in when their moment comes
28++ years now
not lost the paradisal union
while living amongst my fellows who know they lack it
some knowing as fully as marianne, others more fleshed out like james,
then also the cooneys
yes particularly
and fellow-oassengers in the train
and in the police station - i have sent the warrant to arrest me in 10 days if i don't do what they dictate back to the super in baltinglass
who knows me
they all do
"nothing personal"
hugh

but then i adore gaol
so easy for me these days
it's a comic turn

the fold corralling the silly sheep
buddha incarnate
obol - and you think i'm big-headed !!

all these words

2006-08-19T02:14:00.000+01:00

i truly think we may pause now.....don't you ?
xx
we live in compassion
all of us nothing special
what happens happens adore it
it is adorable
even my garbage
even yours
xx krishna